Lil' old me at the DNC

First of all, let me say that I still can't believe I went to the DNC Caucus; even better was that they actually let us in! It was kind of touch and go there for awhile- we didn't think they were going to let us in, but the folks at driving votes (Hi Elena!) did a great job, and eventually we all got in (up in the balcony, which turned out to be better than downstairs anyway).

After having read so much about each of these men, I was really interested to see how I would react to them in person. I am a big Dean supporter, but I tried to keep a very open mind, and I think I did. Well, pretty much, anyway. More Below the fold...

Each candidate got a 5 minute opening statement.

Frost went first, and said he felt the primary issue was safety...if folks don't feel we can keep them safe, they won't vote for us, period. His wife is in the service; apparently she's very highly ranked. He then went on to touch on his last senate race, and he was defensive on this. He said he chose to fight DeLay, and although he lost, he gave it everything he had. (Frost doesn't seem to believe that running ads portraying him as a better ally to Bush than  Pete Sessions, the republican opposing Frost, might somehow not be such a great qualification for the DNC Chair) Frost said what they all pretty much said- we need a 50 state party, he would be dedicated to the grass roots, and he would be a strong spokesman for the party. Much of his speech he shouted, and I found it irritating. My general impression of him was that he was a bit defensive, and didn't have much presence, or charisma. This is a problem for him, because they  all have fairly similar messages about what they would do as DNC chair.

Next went Webb. He said many of the same things: 50 state strategy, put the DNC members to work, and he touched on diversity of representation. He was well spoken and eloquent, and put the whole package together better than the other candidates, with the exception of Howard Dean.

Which brings me to Dean. I've seen him several times in person, and today for the first time I got to meet him in person. He looked wonderful, relaxed and cheerful. His speech was by far the best today. The past two years have matured him, and he really brings it all; charm, humor, charisma as well as intelligence and a real understanding of what needs to be done. He was the only one who I felt gave real details of what he would do as chair. Best remark of the day went to Dean, when he said that the party had to stop using the Northeast as an "ATM for the party". Dean said we need to be people of conviction, and that having deep convictions and fighting for them was what this party needed to do. He was the most well received all around today, although all candidates had supporters (well, except for Roemer, but I'll get to him later).

Rosenberg was up next. He was good, made many excellent points, and pushed the point that he could build a national coalition (unlike Dean, I guess he was inferring). Simon was quite good, and has a very bright future ahead of him, but I personally felt he's not ready for prime time, yet. I have no doubt, though, that he has a very bright future in this party ahead of him. He really is everybody's favorite second choice.

Donnie Fowler was next up. This boy was fiery! He blasted the DNC, saying it seemed to mean "Do Not Change" when it should mean "Do Not Concede". He gave a real red meat speech, and I really liked what he had to say about democrats being "a party with a soul". To me, though, he's just not ready yet for the national stage. He needs more experience under his belt, but like Simon, he's a guy with a very bright future.

Leland spoke next. His pitch was that he didn't want to be the star (the "Randy Johnson", as he put it), he just wanted to be the manager (a la Joe Torre). My initial reaction was that this guy would be eaten alive by the Repubs. I just don't think he's what the party needs from its leader right now.

Lastly we had Roemer. He screwed up royally with this NY crowd when he tried to use his work with the 9/11 commission, telling the story of a 9/11 widow who only found her husbands finger with his wedding ring on. He came off as manipulative and sank like a lead balloon;  no one I spoke to afterward took kindly to his using 9/11 to gain political capital. He also drew boos and hisses when the issue of abortion came up. He said there should not be a litmus test for this party, and said something about special interest groups having too much influence. Roemer was not well received here. That said, he made some good points and has something to offer this party, just not as Chairman.

A question and answer forum followed the speeches, and it was notable only for a few things:  1)Frost was unhappy about being attacked in certain emails (they're blogs, honey) about his re-election campaign ads  2)Fowler shot back, saying when he plays basketball with his friends, they all play tough- they get fouls and sometimes they even draw blood, but when the game is over, they shake hands and stay friends (in other words, grow up Marty- this is a rough game!)  3)Roemer slammed those who don't want him to run due to his abortion position, saying we have a big tent and we need to allow people to have differences of opinion.

Dean seems to be the clear favorite, but as history teaches us- it ain't over `till the votings over. I love Dean, and he showed me again why he's my hero, but some of the other candidates impressed me too- and as Martha would say, that's a good thing.


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Good take on Fowler (none / 0)

I have pretty much the same reaction. I've been told that one of the questions about Rosenberg in some quarters is whether he has the necessary experience for the job. When I went to his Q&A in Sacramento and from the reactions of other people, Rosenberg is more seasoned then Fowler.

Good take on Webb as well. He gets uniformly positive reactions from the crowd, but even after seeing him myself and reading a number of diaries, I still don't have a good sense of his background or qualifications for the position of DNC Chair.

by Gary Boatwright on Sat Jan 29, 2005 at 09:54:19 PM EST

Kerry Thinks YEEEEAH! Dean Would Suck As DNC Chair (none / 0)

I believe John Kerry is not in favor of Howard Dean being the DNC Chair. See the actual words Kerry spoke today on NBC's Meet The Press.

Kerry ... like many of the Democratic Party faithful realize we need more of a Modernizer like Simon Rosenberg than a devisive Spokesman like Howard Dean. What do others on Kos think?

Tim Russert Interview Excerpt With John Kerry From Sunday 1/30/05 NBC MEET THE PRESS Concerning DNC Chairman

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6886726/

MR. RUSSERT:  During the campaign you said that Howard Dean did not have the credibility or judgment to be president.  Do you believe he has the credibility or judgment to be chairman of the Democratic National Committee?

SEN. KERRY:  Sure, absolutely.

MR. RUSSERT:  Do you support him?

by Democratic Dad on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 01:32:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

You mangled the quote (none / 0)

Kerry did not say he was for Rosenberg
or against Dean. He's obviously
running for prez in 2008 and is not looking to
alienate any group unnecessarily.

Here is the relevant portion of
the transcript in full:

MR. RUSSERT:  During the campaign you said that Howard Dean did not have the credibility or judgment to be president.  Do you believe he has the credibility or judgment to be chairman of the Democratic National Committee?

SEN. KERRY:  Sure, absolutely.

MR. RUSSERT:  Do you support him?

SEN. KERRY:  I think Howard Dean proved during this campaign that he was really a loyal and go-to person.  He campaigned his heart out for me.  He wanted us to win.  And I'm very grateful to him for that--as did every other member who's running, incidentally--every other person running for the chairmanship.  They worked hard.  They're capable people and I think any one of them would be able to lead our party and be helpful.

And, you know, we're not looking for a spokesperson in the chairmanship.  I think if you talk to any of my colleagues or any people in the House or Senate or others, what we're looking for is somebody who's going to help the party modernize and do the things we need to do in order to be able to technically, organizationally, structurally be able to catch up to the Republicans.  We're behind.

And I think that--you know, if you figure--I mean, Karl Rove really had six years to prepare for Election Day.  We in many ways had only a few months, notwithstanding the outstanding work that Terry McAuliffe did, but Terry McAuliffe was struggling uphill.  We didn't have a president, we didn't have a House, we didn't have a Senate.  He did an amazing job of raising money, getting voter lists, putting the committee in the best position possible.  But he'd be the first to tell you, we still have a distance to travel in order to catch up.  And I think whoever is chosen as our new chairman, we're going to have a united Democratic Party that is working overtime to put those pieces in place.

MR. RUSSERT:  Some Democrats and many Republicans believe that Howard Dean is too liberal to be chairman of the Democratic Party.  Do you agree?

SEN. KERRY:  No, I don't agree with that.  I think, in fact, if you look at Howard's record as a governor, he was a strong balance-the-budget governor. He was conservative on a lot of issues.  And I think that's part of what happens in campaigns.  You get these stamps and broad brushes that aren't exactly accurate.

by aenglish on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 02:28:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You mangled the quote (none / 0)

Thanks for posting the entire excerpt.  DemDad has another agenda/candidate he's supporting.

I don't know why people try to make their case by using selective quotes.  You're always going to get busted by someone who finds the information you omitted.

by KimPossible on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 03:53:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I see Disingenuous Dad made a stopover (none / 0)

here as well.

In other news that is well, not...

Dizzy Dad supports Simon Rosenberg. I won't hold that agains Mr. Rosenberg, but Dizzy needs to stop spinnin' or he's going to lose his lunch.

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by boadicea on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 04:11:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Roemer was trying to exploit 9/11 (none / 0)

I attended too, and as a New Yorker I agree, that seemed to be a (failed) attempt at manipulation.  Further, it really has nothing to do with being DNC Chair or his qualifications for the job.

Roemer, and Frost too I felt, leaned on the whole terrorism/keep America safe thing pretty heavily, and it bugged me.  How is the DNC Chair going to play a role in keeping America safe?  Isn't that the Republican's frame, anyway?  All the pre-election terror alerts, and the GOP 9/11 convention hype.

As a New Yorker who, I confess, spent a lot of time looking up nervously in the year after Sept. 11, I still despise making this THE most prominent national issue.  And anyway, keeping us safe is not about hollering and being belligerant, it's about investing in our domestic infrastructure (e.g., port security, first responders, health systems) and charting a wise, non-imperialist foreign policy course--none of which these two fire-breathers mentioned.

by wishful thinking on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 01:07:48 AM EST

Great diary (none / 0)

And the others too, thanks for all that attended and blogged from the regional caucus.
by Jerome Armstrong on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 01:24:30 AM EST

A must see from Danziger Cartoons today on HD. (none / 0)

I will just post the link, as I am fairly new here and not sure about posting pics yet.  I mean I know how, just not sure of policy.  
Do not miss this one.  
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by concerned democrat on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 02:05:57 AM EST

Great cartoon! (none / 0)

Really sums it all up.
by wishful thinking on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 02:24:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]

We need Dean (none / 0)

If Bush has taught me anything, it's that we will never win if we don't support our base.  The problem with our party is that the American people seem to be convinced that we don't stand for anything; that we are the "anything goes" party.  Dean has spoken repeatedly about sticking to our values, and his walk has matched his talk.  He very bravely opposed Iraq before it was cool, and his stance on gun control shows that he isn't afraid to challenge the powere-that-be from time to time.  I've heard a lot of commentary saying that Dean could crash like he did in the primaries, but I don't think that he will.  Dean may very well be just what we need.
by Nameless Soldier on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 11:38:21 AM EST

Frost Bombshell (none / 0)

Wishful Thinking wrote:

"Roemer, and Frost too I felt, leaned on the whole terrorism/keep America safe thing pretty heavily, and it bugged me."

It wasn't just his loud hectoring on the issue of "safety" which bothered me (hey, jerk, I'm a New Yorker, and it was OUR city that was attacked, thank you very frigging much).  Even worse was the bombshell of which he delivered himself in the discussion of how the Democratic Party could make itself right with the faith community.  Frost's response was that the Democratic Party should make clear that "we believe in God".

I personally found this very offensive.  What's he saying?  That in Martin Frost's Democratic party atheists and agnostics need not apply?  Sounds like pretty naked bigotry to me, that's for sure.

The moment is chronicled in today's Washington Post at http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47526-2005Jan29?language=printer (yes, the heckler was me).  As you can see, the reporter, Milbank, slightly softened what Frost said.  Milbank claims Frost called on Democrats in general to "embrace faith".  That's NOT what he said.  He said that the Democratic Party ITSELF should state categorically "we believe in God", which, I think you'll agree, is a rather different kettle of fish.

At any rate, that's my recollection.  But those interested in checking out this moment, or the event in general, can see it tonight on C-Span 1 at 630PM EST tonight on Road To The White House.  (C-Span doesn't list it, but they normally rerun Road To The White House at 930PM EST also.)

Yours in reform,

Charles

by criggs on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 03:19:14 PM EST

Re: Frost Bombshell (none / 0)

Heh. I didn't hear your remark to Frost, but I definitely heard all the hissing.

Speaking of hecklers, I was pretty annoyed when Donnie Fowler, Sr. thought he had the right to get up and start defending his stupid amendments in the middle of the candidate forum. I call them stupid because are they really gonna get us a SINGLE extra vote or win us a SINGLE extra election?

It is SO not worth fighting over them. As Dean said, if he's chair, we aren't going to waste time on internal fights like this. And he's damn right.

by DavidNYC on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 04:02:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]

This Buddhist says (none / 0)

Good for you, and thanks for challenging that.

In the linked story, I found this quote from Tim Roemer ludicrous:

"We need a chair who doesn't only represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,"

Was that quote accurate?

I'm all for a big tent, as I've state before, but  an ambassador for the freakin' Republican wing of the Democratic Party?

Thanks, but, no.

 

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by boadicea on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 04:27:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This Buddhist says (none / 0)

Boadicea wrote:
"In the linked story, I found this quote from Tim Roemer ludicrous:
"We need a chair who doesn't only represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party,"
Was that quote accurate?"

I'm afraid so.

by criggs on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 05:05:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This Buddhist says (none / 0)

Boadicea wrote:
"Good for you, and thanks for challenging that."

You're most welcome, and thanks for the kind words.

by criggs on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 05:06:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: This Buddhist says (none / 0)

I was there and I heard him say "I don't only represent the Democratic wing of the Democratic party."   I wrote the same thing you did - glad to hear that he's standing up for being a Republican.
by eRobin on Sun Jan 30, 2005 at 06:51:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Looks Like Only Dean (none / 0)

Seems to stick to the essential matters regarding a DNC Chair: Roemer doesn't seem to even have a plan, Webb doesn't. Only Fowler and Rosenberg and Dean even have a clue. And it looks like Dean is the only one who is focusing on the internal problems of the Democrats now, or is addressing party concerns.
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