MyDD :: BREAKING: BRITS HEAR CARTER TELL HILLARY 'Give it up' on June 3rd

BREAKING: BRITS HEAR CARTER TELL HILLARY 'Give it up' on June 3rd

by duende, Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:58:53 AM EST

Jimmy Carter is in the UK attending Hay Literary festival. Both Al Gore and Bill Clinton have been there too. Friends of mine met them in the lovely English/Welsh town of Hay which is home to hundreds of second hand bookshops, and one of the most stimulating, and literally intoxicating, literary festivals in the UK.

He had an important statement to make about Hillary's campaign on a UK TV station

Basically, without publicly saying he was endorsing Obama, Carter implied he would be doing so after June 3rd when the primaries are over. To quote Reuters:

"I'm a superdelegate ... I think a lot of the superdelegates will make a decision quite, announced quite rapidly, after the final primary on June 3," he told Sky News.

"I have not yet announced publicly, but I think at that point it will be time for her to give it up," Carter said.

Tags: President Carter, Hillary Clinton, Democratic nominations (all tags)

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It's Over June 3d (2.00 / 3)

SD's will endorse Obama en masse.

by parahammer on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:04:58 AM EST

Re: It's Over June 3d (2.00 / 1)

My gut feeling too. But do Carter and Gore still have a lot of sway? And will this been seen as men 'bullying' Hillary out of the race?

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:07:25 AM EST
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Neither Carter or Gore are in a position to tell H (2.00 / 2)

Neither Carter or Gore are in a position to tell Hillary what to do. Especially Gore, after he gave up so easily in 2000, dooming us to - (unspeakable)

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.

by architek on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:09:51 AM EST
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How many more Judases? (2.00 / 4)

Are there any democrats left for you to dismiss?

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:12:29 AM EST
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Re: Neither Carter or Gore ... (2.00 / 5)

Yea! Those dumb old Nobel Prize winners, what do they know?

by Gene In PA on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:33:47 AM EST
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Re: Neither Carter or Gore are in a position to te (2.00 / 5)

Wow, MyDD is insulting Al Gore these days? A new low.

by Pat Flatley on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:18:50 AM EST
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Re: It's Over June 3d (2.00 / 1)

Cantwell should be switching based on the pledged delegates.

by parahammer on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:14:21 AM EST
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No, it won't be seen (2.00 / 1)

as men bullying her out of the race, as long as the voting has finished. I think everyone will understand.

I know Gore has a hell of a lot of sway. I suppose Carter does, too, but I think it will be a bigger deal when Gore endorses Obama -- in part, maybe, because we've known for a long time that Carter would vote for him at the convention.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:05:18 PM EST
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He's in Hay-on-Wye? (2.00 / 2)

I've been there. Crazy place, dozens and dozens of 2nd hand book shops packed together, staffed by ageing hippies. Absolutely beautiful and bizarre - no economist would tell you that a remote Welsh village would be a good place for the Capital of antique book selling in the world...

by grass on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:06:59 AM EST

Re: He's in Hay-on-Wye? (2.00 / 2)

I had more fun there two years ago than any film, TV or theatre event. Bizarre. You would have thought the book world would be musty, dusty and reserved. But I didn't sleep for about three nights.

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:08:21 AM EST
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Wow, sounds great.. (2.00 / 4)

I could spend days in used bookstores.. booksellers are often very fun people too..

Have lived with them as roommates.. a very quirky bunch..

Universal healthcare IS a core Democratic value
Without a REAL committment to it, we WON'T win in November.

by architek on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:11:51 AM EST
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Re: Wow, sounds great.. (2.00 / 2)

Hay is a strange combination of librarians and rock and roll. Would recommend it highly. And the countryside round there is stunning, and English fringe/celtic way.

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:14:56 AM EST
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Carter pressured by his brainwashed grandchildren (1.00 / 7)

She has no reason to give it up, considering many factors. This is one of them:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Cl inton/Maps/May24.html
Map above slightly incorrect - it has to include recent Nevada poll,
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/state_top lines/nevada/toplines_nevada_presidentia l_election_may_20_2008
which will make her win 319-202 in November with Michigan (17 EV) tied against McCain

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:18:50 AM EST

May vs November (2.00 / 1)

This is a caution. Basing a November outcome on polls or EV maps today is always going to be a weak argument.

We have all seen polls change dramatically over the course of this campaign and they will continue to do so. Like wise EV maps can and do change.

Now, if these were September numbers then you would have something to hang your hat on.

Please don't misunderstand I am not flaming you, it's just a caution that I would make to both camps.

Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.

by jsfox on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:17:07 AM EST
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time to be cautioned is gone (none / 0)

but thanks for your concern

Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties

by engels on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:55:54 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: (2.00 / 2)

I am sure this is the plan..
On 6/3 the Primary process will be officially over.
The SD's will support the candidate with the most pledged delegates. By this time MI will be halved in number and Clinton and Obama will evenly split the remaining number.
FL will also be penalized 50% of their delegates..
however they split the delegates here, Sen Obama will still have won the most pledged by 6/3.

...
on a side note..
Rep. Cadoza who switched from Clinton to Obama was not just ANY SD...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/ story/38408.html

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by nogo postal on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:27:47 AM EST

Hillary's response to Carter (2.00 / 3)

"President Carter is an elderly statesman in our party. Very elderly. He may pledge to whatever candidate he wants now and I respect that decision, however the August convention is quite a ways away and things happen, particularly to elderly people. Did I mention he is old?"

by rf7777 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:32:02 AM EST

I'm really losing respect for Carter... (2.00 / 1)

after spending much of his post-presidency assuring fair voting around the world - when we see the first female candidate for President in the US break numerous ceilings towards the nomination - he responds by issuing negative comments about her BEFORE everyone has voted.

by Molee on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:48:50 AM EST

Re: I'm really losing respect for Carter... (2.00 / 4)

You DO know that the remaining primaries cannot change the math.

Carter did not make a negative statement about her. "at that point it will be time for her to give it up." That is an intelligent man, based in reality, knowing the numbers, making a statement about the nomination process. You "Hillary to the death" people are racing to turn him into a misogynistic pig over this.

by rf7777 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:06:38 AM EST
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Re: I'm really losing respect for Carter... (2.00 / 5)

Why do some here relegate Hillary to "The female candidate"? Seems as offensive as referring to Obama as "The black candidate."

"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton

by fugazi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:07:40 AM EST
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Re: I'm really losing respect for Carter... (2.00 / 5)

Actually, he pretty specifically said she would need to give it up after everyone had voted. Though his statement came before the final states/territories have actually gone to the polling place, he knows as well as you or I do that those states/territories will change nothing in the pledged delegate count. There quite simply aren't enough delegates in play in MT, SD, and PR.

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by mistersite on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:15:09 AM EST
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Re: CARTER TELL HILLARY 'Give it up' on June 3rd (none / 0)

by rf7777 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 10:06:50 AM EST

Seriously (none / 0)

Jimmy Carter? Um, yeah. As much as I love the guy- most Americans look upon his Presidency as a disaster. Why? Right Wing spin probably. Anyway, I wouldn't look towards Jimmy Carter for any "mass movement" of anything. Wasn't he recently in the news for doing something with some Anti-Isreal group or something? Didn't Obama publicly denounce his actions too? Am I remembering this incorrectly???

by easyE on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:27:30 AM EST

Re: Seriously (2.00 / 1)

Any more democrats you want to trash?

It's getting ridiculous. As Hillary's support dwindles, and more and more party leaders back Obama, are you going to do a republican's job, and smear all of them?

Or maybe that's your plan. Who knows?

Who cares

Pointing to the inadequacies of John McCain

by duende on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:42:30 AM EST
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Re: Seriously (2.00 / 2)

I consider carter one of the most decent men ever to serve as President. To denigrate such a fine person does a disservice to your candidate.

by parahammer on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:44:14 AM EST
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Yes, well, I think a lot of us have been hoping (2.00 / 2)

they'd do this. I want the voting to end before she quits -- it will make the nominee feel fully legitimate to everyone -- but once the voting is finished, she needs to suspend her campaign as quickly as possible. The primary season has become far too messy. The supers should declare for Obama on June 4 and put an end to this race. Then the MI/FL delegates could be seated in full at the convention.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:49:38 AM EST

Re: (2.00 / 1)

That is a good plan.

by rfahey22 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:59:33 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: BRITS HEAR CARTER TELL HILLARY 'Give (2.00 / 1)

Carter is a wonderful post-President. As a president, he was a disaster and was out-of-touch with the current situations in American at that time.

however, he was a good reader for the future. We should have listened to him back in the 1970's, but he couldn't convey the message properly.

by colebiancardi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:08:50 PM EST

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